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Why Gay Guys Love Using Grindr To Hook Up And Make Friends

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Joel Simkhai is gay, but has always felt like a hidden minority. As he roamed around town, he wondered: Who else is gay? How should he interact with them?

"It was frustrating and I wanted an easier way to meet guys," he said, explaining the inspiration for his fast growing startup Grindr.

It may sound like a niche product, but last month it won the Crunchie award for best location-based app of 2011, beating out prominent tech startups like AirBNB and Foursquare.

Today, with 3 million users in 192 countries, Grindr is the biggest social network for gay guys, with London, Paris, and New York as its biggest cities.

But Simkhai wasn't telling us about Grindr's numbers to brag. He explained that being the largest has its advantages, as it increases that element of serendipity of bumping into a guy who is on Grindr while at the gym or grocery story or wherever you are. Usually, there are about 52,000 users are logged into Grindr at a time.

Before moving to Los Angeles, Simkhai lived in the Upper West Side in Manhattan for ten years. Ironically, even in a city known for its dating scene, he found that technically speaking, online dating was rather limiting because it only narrowed down possible dates by miles. And obviously, even though New Jersey or across Central Park was close, it was still too far for him to have a spontaneous meeting with a potential mate. 

"I wanted to know which guys were in my building or neighborhood," he said. That's why on Grindr, guys can see how far away possible matches are ...  measured in feet.

Grindr launched in March 2009. For the first year and a half, the founding team worked out of Simkhai's living room. Now situated in a Hollywood with 30 employees, Grindr has been growing fast without no outside funding.

Most of Grindr's money comes from advertising. For instance, when users click on ads via banner ads or broadcast messages, Grindr makes money. There's also a premium version that tells guys where the nearest 300 Grindr members are; the free app is limited to 100.

Grindr also has a sales team that calls bars, hotels, and restaurants -- and works with local businesses to drive traffic to those venues. "That's a growing business for us -- to offer free drinks or a deal with a hotel, based on your proximity," Simkhai said.

Personally, Simkhai likes using it when he's traveling to see who is around, what's good tonight, and see where he should go. One time, while he was out shopping, he saw that one of his favorites (yes, you can star your favorite blokes), was 200 feet away. So he messaged him, and asked him to stop by.

"It wasn't a match, there was no chemistry. But it was easy to get out of because the first meeting wasn't so heavy -- we didn't have to go to dinner and go through a whole date," Simkhai said. Not all meetings were a failure to launch for him though. One relationship lasted 6 months. 

At the request of straight users, last year Grindr launched an app called Blendr. As it turns out, some women don't want their exact location broadcasted for all to see, which is why are more privacy controls, like the ability to block other users and control who sees your profile. But privacy is always a concern, which is why the startup doesn't require its users to enter any information other than their birthday.

"Whenever you're meeting someone you don't know, there are always risks. One of those things I always recommend is meeting in a public space. Don't get drunk, talk to them, check out their Facebook, and meet them in a public space," Simkhai said.

He loves connecting people. 

"We are still in the early days of Blendr. We are not just focused on dating. We are creating a tool that allow you to meet people. Even if you're not looking to date, can go on Blendr now and find people who share things in common with you," he added.

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Silicon Valley Is Going Crazy Over This Dating App That Just Raised $22 Million

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For the past few weeks in Silicon Valley, one app has come up in just about every conversation: Skout.

It's a location-based dating application that, after being at death's door, turned around and raised $22 million from Andreessen-Horowitz and other top venture capital firms.

Well, we took it for a whirl, and while we weren't lucky enough to get any dates, we can see why it's becoming so popular.

Bam! Here we go.



It's a location-based flirting application, so naturally you'll have to let it check out your location.



You'll also get a notification when someone tries to flirt with you.



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Columbia Intern Says He Was Fired For Rejecting His Boss On Gay Dating Site

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A graduate student is suing Columbia University for allegedly firing him after he rejected his boss on the gay dating website Grindr.

Alberto Leguina moved to New York City from Chile to work as a staff associate in that department of Columbia, The Columbia Spectator reported. 

A few days after he moved to the city, he said he received a message accompanied by a picture of his boss, Qais Al-Awqati, on the Grindr app. Figuring it was a prank, he ignored the alleged message. 

However, he says he began to suspect the message was really from the professor and rejected it while he was at work, according to the Spectator.

Then he heard his Al-Awqati yell out "You are out!" from the next room, he claims. Leguina says he went to HR and was assured his position wouldn't be terminated. 

Leguina says Al-Awqati bought him a Macbook to apologize. Still, Leguina figured out he was fired a couple weeks later when he couldn't log into his school computer, according to the Spectator.

Leguina is seeking damages for sexual harrassment and wrongful termination, among other things.  

The school called us with this statement: 

"Columbia University has very strong policies that prohibit sexual harassment. We will respond to these allegations in court but don't comment on pending litigation." 

Business Insider also reached out to Al-Awqati. He declined to comment, citing school policy. 

The former Columbia student has started a blog chronicling his account of what happened with the school.

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How Grindr Is Changing the Way We Connect

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It is easy to write off Grindr — a location-based dating application for gay men — as a hookup application because, well, that is what it is.

But the company, which is approaching its fourth anniversary, has amassed more than five million users who spend on average 90 minutes each day using the application. Billions of messages fly across the service every year, and 76 percent of the company’s revenue comes from money generated by Grindr users who fork over cash for the service’s premium features.

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How An App That Helps Gay Men Hook Up Changed How You Use Your Phone

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Grindr, a location-based hookup application for gay and bisexual men, has changed the way we connect and interact with other people, Jenna Wortham of The New York Times reports

It's also changed the way both app developers and users think about location-based services, Jaime Woo, author of the book "Meet Grindr: How One App Changed" said at South by Southwest over the weekend. 

Since launching in 2009, Grindr's user base has grown to more than five million people who on average spend 90 minutes every day using the app. People seem to love the app so much that they're even willing to pay for Grindr's premium features, which make up 76% of the company's revenue.

Grindr's success has motivated a slew of competitors  — some more successful than others. There's Mister for finding gay and bisexual men, OkCupid's "Locals" feature, and Tinder for finding attractive people to hook up with nearby. 

But what's driving Grindr's success comes down to a few things, Woo said:

  • Grindr is "spontaneous and intimate," which is incredibly appealing to people. 
  • It's much simpler and more direct than other social networking sites. When users sign up, they know exactly what to expect: flirting and hooking up. Meanwhile, a Poke on Facebook, may or may not have any romantic innuendos, depending on who sends it. 
  • Grindr places a greater emphasis on proximity, not location. So it only shows you people who are actually physically located near you at any given time, not just people who happen to live in a certain city. 
  • It works for more than just hookups. Two thirds of people on Grindr also use the app to find new friends nearby, or to network, according to a Grindr survey.

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People Really Are Finding Love On Dating Apps Like Grindr And Tinder

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grindr ceo Joel SimkhaiApps such as Grindr and Tinder have a seedy reputation - but a growing number of people are using apps built for one-night stands to find true love, reports Olivia Goldhill.

Grindr is not the most romantic place to meet your soulmate. Wildly popular, the dating app for gay men arranges profile photos in order of proximity and is often used for short term, sexual relationships arranged at the last minute.

But the app, which has 4.5m users in 192 countries, allows people to say if they’re interested in a relationship and despite the unlikely setting, more couples are now finding love. Cohen Simpson, 23, is about to move in with his boyfriend of two and half years, who he met through Grindr.

Cohen, who is currently studying for a PhD in new media at LSE, met his boyfriend while a student at Oxford. Originally from a rural area where he says homosexuality wasn’t easily accepted, Cohen argues technology has shaped his love life.

“Having something, a piece of technology that really made that network explicit, it really took the guess work out of looking for a potential mate, so that was really powerful.”

Although most people on Grindr are looking for “a more transient sort of exchange”, Cohen says there are people interested in a relationship, though it takes perseverance to find them.

He met up with several people for coffee dates before he met his boyfriend, but aside from a few meetings where the reality didn’t quite match with a profile photo, Cohen says he enjoyed the dates he found through Grindr.

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Dr Bernie Hogan, Research Fellow at the Oxford Internet Institute, says dating apps are particularly well suited for gay people or other “hidden” communities, such as religious groups, because the apps make you more findable.

He says: “Now you have to ask yourself—who needs to be found and how do they want to be found?

“Remember, while there are some flamboyant or camp gay men out there, there’s a lot of men who are not obviously gay and want a way to regulate their findability.”

Dr Hogan also says the immediacy of apps can help sustain a relationship.

“Proximity has always been a very strong determinate of relationship success.

“Mobile apps, because they can come with you and because they’re sensitive to location and proximity, really do help to augment space, make space much more digital.

“So instead of me staying in one place, going on my computer, checking if I have any messages and co-ordinating far off in the future, these apps can co-ordinate much more ad-hoc, much more rapid meetings.”

And despite Mr Hogan’s doubts that a dating app could ever be successful among a heterosexual population, Tinder is proving him wrong.

The hot-or-not app, which allows users to decide whether they want to talk to someone based on one photo, is growing at 5 per cent a day in the UK and is responsible for more than 50 engagements since its launch in October.

Each profile has just a photo, first name and age, and only users who approve of each other are able to start a conversation. Like Grindr, Tinder shows the distance between users but doesn't reveal the exact location to protect privacy. So far, the app has served more than 75m matches and 6bn profile ratings.

Tinder co-founder and CMO Justin Mateen says the app replicates real life.

He says: “When you first meet someone in a coffee shop, the first thing you notice about them is their physical appearance but as you start speaking to them and dig deeper you look for commonalities.”

Users sign in to the app through Facebook, which deters a lot of false profiles and allows Tinder to extract data for appropriate matches.

Mr Manteen says: “You don’t feel desperate using Tinder because you’re not really selling yourself, you didn’t have to fill out a long form trying to represent yourself."

The start-up founder says Tinder constantly tweaks the algorithm for finding matches, and has a heavy emphasis on mutual friends, mutual interests, and total number of friends.

The algorithm seems to be working, and Hannah Steelman, 23, met her boyfriend through Tinder in March.

The couple first met when their two groups of friends went to the same bar, and she says the focus on location made dating simple.

She says: “We knew we were in a close vicinity and so it made it really easy for us. We knew of all the same landmarks, we’d go out in the same places.”

And despite meeting through the app, Hannah says she has a lot in common with her boyfriend, who works in the same industry and is two years older than her.

She says: “It is faster than most relationships that I’ve been in and I don’t know if that’s through the app or it’s just because we hit it off, we have a lot in common.”

Julia Rosinus, 24, from Chicago, also met her boyfriend through the app, which she started using just for fun with friends.

When she met her boyfriend, she says: “It was very unexpected.”

The pair talked for around ten days before they met in person, and after only a few dates they became an official couple.

She says: “It’s 21st century, everyone’s meeting online, everyone’s meeting on app. I think it’s the norm now.”

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Despite Anti-Gay Propaganda, Grindr Use Is Exploding In Sochi

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Grindr users can't be stopped in Sochi, Russia now that the Olympics have entered week two.

The number of users on the app have more than tripled since the start of the games.

Grindr, the social dating and hook-up app for gay men, now has 541 active users in the Russian beach town, according to a Grindr spokesperson who spoke to Vocativ.

Before the arrival of the athletes, Sochi only had 185 active users.

The total number of users in all of Russia is about 55,000.

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The Grindr spike could also be attributed to the fact that the Russian version of the app, Hunters, was recently hacked and shut down. According to Hunters CEO Dimitry T. users of the app logged in on Feb. 3 only to see this threatening message: “You will be arrested and jailed for gay propaganda in Sochi according to Russian Federal Law #135 Sektion 6,” which refers to the law banning the dissemination of “homosexual propaganda” to minors. (Whoever is responsible for the message got it slightly wrong: The relevant section is 5, not 6.)

You can read more about Grindr usage in Sochi here. 

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Security Flaw In Gay Dating App Grindr Reveals Precise Location Of 90% Of Users

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A security flaw has been discovered in popular gay dating app Grindr that reveals the exact location of every user with location services enabled.

In a post on note site PasteBin, an anonymous user explains how Grindr can be used to triangulate user locations using simple, unauthenticated calls to Grindr's application programming interface API calls. (An API is the access point that software developers use to link their apps and services to another app, in this case Grindr.) Using this exploit, another anonymous internet user went on to create a map that displays the names, photos and locations of all Grindr users with location services enabled. 

That flaw potentially lets men using Grindr become targets for gaybashing.

In a 2013 press release, Grindr claimed that over 90% of its users have location services enabled, meaning that almost every user of the app will have their location viewable on this map. The app is intended to let people see how far away you are but not your exact location. You can arrange meetings only by messaging the people who appear to be near you.

Here's a map of users in Malta:

Grindr users in Malta

The same PasteBin note also details how it's possible to spoof the app's messaging system and impersonate any user on the site, a serious flaw that Grindr has struggled to fix in the past.  

Here is a screenshot showing the location of Grindr users in Chicago:

 Grindr users in downtown Chicago

The original PasteBin note claims that Grindr was informed of the exploit "several times within the past months." But in a statement to Business Insider, Grindr dismissed the safety concerns, remarking "We don’t view this as a security flaw. As part of the Grindr service, users rely on sharing location information with other users as core functionality of the application and Grindr users can control how this information is displayed. For Grindr users concerned about showing their proximity, we make it very easy for them to remove this option and we encourage them to disable ‘show distance’ in their privacy settings. As always, our user security is our top priority and we do our best to keep our Grindr community secure."

Despite downplaying the security concerns, after this article was published Grindr sent out an alert to all users, warning them that they may wish to hide their location.

Grindr security alert

This video shows how the map can be used, and why it might be dangerous to gay men who do not know their location is visible:

Grindr's API doesn't require authentication or developer keys to access, and so anyone can query the app to find the 50 nearest users, as well as their distance from any specific location. It's then possible to send two more queries from different locations, and triangulate the exact location of every user who has enabled location services.

Using the Grindr exploit, it's possible to view the locations, photos and names of Grindr users in countries like Iran and Russia, where being openly homosexual is often dangerous. America Blog was able to discover nearly 200 Grindr users in Iran using the method outlined above. Homosexuality is illegal in Iran, and it's estimated that the country has executed between 4,000 and 6,000 gay people since 1979. In Russia, homosexuality is legal, although gay men and women are often the target of hate crimes and violence.

Launched in 2012, Grindr pioneered the kind of location-based dating that Tinder went on to bring into the mainstream. Users can create profiles, and view other people near them sorted by their proximity. But the app has often found itself the subject of security scandals. In 2012 it was revealed that Grindr's API can be used to log in as any user, send messages and photos, and view passwords. Grindr later claimed to have fixed the vulnerability, although a report from the University of Amsterdam revealed widespread security issues due to the app's open API.

SEE ALSO: Despite Anti-Gay Propaganda, Grindr Use Is Exploding In Sochi

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How Gay Hook-Up App Grindr Is Selling Itself To Major Brand Advertisers

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Unless they have used it themselves, many advertisers may not know that gay geo-social networking app Grindr has a burgeoning advertising business and a potentially lucrative future data business.

Grindr claims to be the largest all-male mobile social network in the world, with nearly 10 million users in 192 countries. Those users are described in Grindr's pitch document to advertisers (which you can see in full below) as "affluent, tech savvy men," who mostly earn over the average income, spend more on products and services than straight people and are likely to have future travel plans: an ideal target base for advertisers.

However, it's also a potentially risky place for brands to advertise: it's predominantly used to organize no-strings sex, which can often be accompanied with offensive language (although Grindr does have a team of human moderators to attempt to stamp this out). In August a security glitch left users' locations vulnerable to being discovered by third parties. The company has since disabled distance display, which showed how close a potential match was to a user's current location.

Some people also use the app to organize drug pick-ups (many different apps are used for this too, most notoriously Instagram).

Business Insider talked to Grindr's CEO Joel Simkhai and asked what the company is doing to ensure brands are advertising in safe environments on the app that they would want to associate themselves with.

He told us over the phone:

"We have a team of moderators that review for profanity and monitor for the things that you mentioned [the drug pick-ups]. These types of behaviors are prohibited on Grindr and we also comply with iTunes and Google Play guidelines. We are very vigilant on that.

"Part of it is that we have people looking at it, and we can also control where brands [appear on the app] and that they are comfortable. I don't think Grindr is for every brand out there. But it's not X-rated content — maybe shirtless and showing some skin, but that's kind of who we are."

grindr broadcast message adAnd plenty of brands so far have decided Grindr is for them: Uber, Airbnb, Audi, Groupon, Fiat, Live Nation and Dollar Shave Club are among the major brands sitting alongside smaller local businesses recently taking advantage of Grindr's location-based ad offering. Ad formats include traditional banners, text-based "broadcast" messages to inform users of local events or special offers near them and a new full-page interstitial ad that appears as users flick through profiles or close the app. They can be bought through advertising networks or directly through Grindr's 10-person global sales team.

The appeal of Grindr? "If you want to target men, or gay men, we are the natural first choice. Nobody else in the gay market has our scale and ability to deliver these kinds of ad formats," Simkhai claims.

The company does not "talk dollar figures," but advertising revenue in the 12 months to October was up 118% on last year, and ads now make up 25% of total revenue, according to Simkhai. Grindr Xtra subscriptions, which allow users to remove ads, make up the rest of Grindr's income. He adds that Grindr is the top grossing paid-for social networking app on iTunes, which should help people extrapolate how successful the company has been at making money to date.

Future money-making opportunities

But advertising and subscriptions may not be the only revenue stream for Grindr in the future. Simkhai is all too aware about the value of its API and data, which could be licensed to other companies.

"With our data API we'd be comfortable to share some, but not all, we wouldn't divulge any personal information ... we'd be interested in talking to other companies about data, location and the opportunities that come out of that," he said.

Simkhai also revealed that Grindr has been approached by other companies with potential takeover propositions before (he did not divulge which ones, or the size of the offers placed on the table) and "it's something we'd definitely be open to in the future," he said.

The profile of gay men in business shifted up a gear last month when Apple CEO Tim Cook came out publicly as gay in an essay written for Businessweek. We asked Simkhai, as a gay man in business himself, what impact this news had on him:

"To think that a gay man runs the most valuable company in the world just speaks for itself, it's a tremendous statement for everyone.

"[It says] gay men can be successful in business, they can make a lot of money, and there's no reason to exclude gay men from the business world because you can see they add tremendous value...it makes a guy like me very proud."

This is the document Grindr uses to market itself to potential advertisers and agencies.

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How to permanently delete your dating profiles on Tinder, Hinge and Match

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A recent study found that a remarkable 30% of users on the dating app Tinder aren't actually single. 

But how many of those people are still on Tinder by accident?

See, contrary to the assumption of many (including a Business Insider coworker or two), deleting the Tinder app off your phone doesn't mean you have deleted your account.

Here's how you really delete all the online dating accounts you're sick of:

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To repeat: Deleting the app does not delete your account. To delete your account for real, navigate to the Settings pane, select App Settings, scroll down and select Delete Account. You’ll then see a message that says "Account successfully deleted" if it worked.

"If you subscribed to Tinder Plus, deleting the app and/or your account does not cancel your subscription," Tinder says on its FAQ page. You have to cancel your subscription via email.

OkCupid

OkCupid gives you the option of deleting or disabling your account. If you disable it, your profile will be removed, but you will be able to get all your old information, pictures, and messages back if you want in the future.

To permanently delete it, just go to Settings in either the app or desktop, and select "Delete Account."

Here's a quick link to do just that.

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It turns out you can't delete your Hinge profile from your smartphone, you've got to do it via a desktop computer.

Simply click here from a computer (will not work from mobile device) and remove the app from the list. Then, on your phone, delete the app icon as you normally would.

Match.com 

If you don't have a paid subscription, you can cancel your membership by visiting the Change/Cancel Membership page in your Account Settings (look for the gear icon).

Canceling your membership will hide your profile and photos, but you'll still be able to reactivate your account if you sign in.

Rather confusingly, Match has a separate section describing how to delete a profile permanently, but the answer is just not to even log back in once you've cancelled:

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Coffee Meets Bagel 

There's no simple, do-it-yourself way to delete your Coffee Meets Bagel profile. You have to actually contact the company and have them do it for you. Reach out at contact@cofeemeetsbagel.com.

eHarmony 

There are two steps to deleting your eHarmony account.

First, you have to "close" it, meaning matches can no longer see your profile. Do that by going to Settings > Account Settings > Billing > Close Account. 

Then, to get rid of it completely and permanently, you have to email deletemyinfo@eharmony.comwith the subject line "Delete My Account Information." In the body of the email, ask for all your personal information to be deleted.

Grindr

To delete your Grindr profile, open the app, tap Grindr Mask > Settings > Privacy > Tap delete profile >Confirm.

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Gay dating app Grindr is reportedly looking for a buyer

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Grindr, the location-based dating app for gay men, has hired banking firm Raine Group LLC to help find a buyer, Bloomberg reported Friday.

Sources tell Bloomberg that "the sale process is early and no deal is assured." The same sources also don't know what Grindr's valuation could be in a sale.

Joel Simkhai has bootstrapped Grindr since its 2009 founding. Grindr's location-based service charges users about $12 a month.

Grindr claims to be the biggest male mobile social network in the world, with more than 5 million users in 192 countries. In Grindr's pitch documents, users are described as "affluent, tech-savvy men" who earn above the average household income, and have future travel plans, making them lucrative advertising targets.

In August, a security glitch left Grindr users' locations vulnerable to third parties. Since then, Grindr has disabled distance display, a feature that shows how close you are to a potential match.

If Grindr is looking to sell, one potential buyer could be IAC (InterActiveCorp), which owns the majority of the US online dating market through ownership in platforms like Tinder, OKCupid, and Match.com. 

Here's Bloomberg's full story on Grindr's potential sale.

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We spoke to Ashley Madison's CEO about its tech and privacy before the scandal broke — here's what he said

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The leak of customer data from extramarital-affairs dating website Ashley Madison could sign the death warrant for the business — mainly because it prides itself on the heightened level of privacy it offers to its customers.

And when I spoke to the company's boss in May, he made it a point to mention how Ashley Madison was at the forefront of privacy technology.

Ashley Madison, owned by parent company Avid Life Media, which has a host of other niche dating websites, offered a unique service that allowed customers to pay for all their data to be erased. His company also used a feature that later became central to Snapchat's disappearing-data function, Biderman claimed. 

In other words, if you cancelled your account, your details would not be stored on any server or cached anywhere.

The luxury would cost users £15 ($20) to remove all their information. According to Buzzfeed, the service raked in nearly $2 million for the website.

However, according to data seen by The Guardian, the deletes may not have happened.

Ashley Madison "retained enough personal data about users to identify them to spouses — as the site’s hackers have claimed — despite offering a paid-for 'full delete' service," according to those who have examined the 10 gigabytes of user information from the July breach.

'We use technology to deliver discretion'

noel biderman FULLAshley Madison spent the early part of 2015 trying to get a bank to launch an IPO in London, which was estimated to raise £135 million ($200 million) to fuel a massive expansion.

In May, I spoke to Avid Life Media's boss, Noel Biderman, about the impending flotation.

At the time, he told me that the company created the features popularised in mobile-dating and social-media photo apps "years ago" when it was looking to offer "how to have the perfect affair."

Biderman told Business Insider in a phone interview that while the enormous success of dating apps Tinder and Grindr and photo-messaging app Snapchat was "great for the industry," Ashley Madison is often overlooked for its technological innovations.

"We have always said that we are here to give you the 'perfect affair' by using technology to deliver discretion. What Snapchat gives is actually a minor feature of what we have used on our platform for ages, and the location-based settings for Tinder or Grindr are, again, just small features of a wider platform we have. We've been doing this since 2002," said Biderman at the time. Snapchat has nearly 200 million users.

Biderman said that his website used similar location-based technology as Grindr, Tinder, and self-deleting technology as Snapchat, but on one big platform. He added that Ashley Madison goes beyond those other app offerings and even wipes location-based history.

"I say good for them for making this central to their apps. It's great for brand positioning and the industry as a whole, but we were far ahead of everyone else on this before with the website and then with the phone application."

He added that the fact users could choose to wipe out their history at the website was a major feature.

Grindr, launched in 2009, is a dating app that is focused on the gay community, which uses location-based GPS to find someone local to hook up with. It has around 10 million users. Tinder, launched in 2012, is another location-based dating app that has a gimmick to swipe right if you want to get to know the person in a picture or swipe left if you're not interested. It has around 50 million users.

Ashley Madison launched its website in 2001 and now has 36 million members in 46 countries. In 2014, it had $115 million (£76 million) in sales, which is an almost fourfold increase since 2009. Biderman said that revenue is projected to reach over $150 million (£99 million) over the next year or so at the time of the phone interview.

The London IPO

Ashley MadisonThe scandal is sure to be a blow to Ashley Madison's prospects. It was already struggling to get an IPO off the ground.

Now, it has to deal with the fallout of the scandal — not just the hacking but also the fact its technology is under tremendous scrutiny.

In July, I spoke to Biderman again to catch up on how the IPO was going. Instead of telling me he found a book runner for the float, he admitted that the company was thinking of abandoning the IPO altogether.

He said the company had potentially found a "better option."

"There is no change in securing a bank to lead an IPO, but right now we are looking and assessing two different strategies. We can do a straight-up IPO, but since the news of the potential launch was made, we got a lot of attention, and this has garnered a range of further options," said Biderman at the time.

"With the kind of income we generated over the last eight years and, if we remain as profitable as we are now over the next eight years, it may be in our current shareholders' interest to for us to use an investment vehicle to give them set dividends. For example, investing $1 a year would give you $1 in return the following year, rather than investing $1 and potentially getting $5 some time down the road."

Business Insider got in touch with Biderman's representatives in London and the US but they were not immediately available for an update.

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We spoke to Ashley Madison's boss about its tech and privacy just before the scandal broke — here's what he said

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The leak of customer data from extramarital affairs dating website Ashley Madison could sign the death warrant for the business – mainly because it prides itself on the heightened level of privacy it offers to its customers.

And when I spoke to the company's boss in May, he made it a point to mention how Ashley Madison was at the forefront of cutting edge privacy technology.

Ashley Madison, owned by parent company Avid Life Media which has a host of other niche dating websites, offered a unique service that allowed customers to pay for all their data to be erased. His company also used a feature that later became central to Snapchat's disappearing data function, Biderman claimed. 

In other words, if you cancelled your account, your details would not be stored on any server or cached anywhere.

The luxury would cost users £15 ($20) to remove all their information. According to Buzzfeed, the service raked in nearly $2 million for the website.

However, according to data seen by The Guardian, the deletes may not have happened.

Ashley Madison "retained enough personal data about users to identify them to spouses – as the site’s hackers have claimed — despite offering a paid-for 'full delete' service," according to those who have examined the 10 gigabytes of user information from the July breach.

"We use technology to deliver discretion"

noel biderman FULLAshley Madison spent the early part of 2015 trying to get a bank to launch an IPO in London, which was estimated to raise £135 million ($200 million) to fuel a massive expansion.

In May I spoke to Avid Life Media's boss Noel Biderman about the impending flotation.

At the time, he told me that the company created the features popularised in popular mobile dating and social media photo apps "years ago" when it was looking to offer "how to have the perfect affair."

Noel Biderman told Business Insider in a phone interview that while the enormous success of dating apps Tinder and Grindr and photo messaging app Snapchat was "great for the industry," Ashley Madison is often overlooked for its technological innovations.

"We have always said that we are here to give you the 'perfect affair' by using technology to deliver discretion. What Snapchat gives is actually a minor feature of what we have used on our platform for ages and the location-based settings for Tinder or Grindr are, again, just small features of a wider platform we have. We've been doing this since 2002," said Biderman at the time. Snapchat has nearly 200 million users.

Biderman said that his website used similar location-based technology as Grindr, Tinder, and self-deleting technology as Snapchat, but on one big platform. He added that Ashely Madison goes beyond those other app offerings and even wipes location-based history.

"I say good for them for making this central to their apps, it's great for brand positioning and the industry as a whole but we were far ahead of everyone else on this before with the website and then with the phone application."

He added that the fact users could choose to wipe out their history at the website was a major feature.

Grindr, launched in 2009, is a dating app which is focused on the gay community which uses location-based GPS to find someone local to hook up with. It has around 10 million users. Tinder, launched in 2012, is another location based dating app that has a gimmick to swipe right if you want to get to know the person in a picture or swipe left if you're not interested. It has around 50 million users.

Ashley Madison launched its website in 2001 and now has 36 million members in 46 countries. In 2014, it had $115 million (£76 million) in sales, which is an almost fourfold increase since 2009. Biderman said that revenue is projected to reach over $150 million (£99 million) over the next year or so at the time of the phone interview.

The London IPO

Ashley MadisonThe scandal is sure to be a blow to Ashley Madison's prospects. It was already struggling to get an IPO off the ground.

Now, it has to deal with the fallout of the scandal — not just the hacking but also the fact its technology is under tremendous scrutiny.

In July, I spoke to Biderman again to catch up on how the IPO was going. Instead of telling me he found a bookrunner for the float, he admitted that the company was thinking of abandoning the IPO altogether.

He said the company had potentially found a "better option."

"There is no change in securing a bank to lead an IPO but right now we are looking and assessing two different strategies. We can do a straight-up IPO, but since the news of the potential launch was made, we got a lot of attention and this has garnered a range of further options," said Biderman at the time.

"With the kind of income we generated over the last eight years and if we remain as profitable as we are now over the next eight years, it may be in our current shareholders' interest to for us to use an investment vehicle to give them set dividends. For example, investing $1 a year, would give you $1 in return the following year, rather than investing $1 and potentially getting $5 some time down the road."

Business Insider got in touch with Biderman's representatives in London and the US but they were not immediately available for an update.

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Leaked emails from the Ashley Madison hack show the company seriously considered acquiring Grindr

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Alongside the 30 million Ashley Madison user accounts leaked online — including names, email addresses, physical descriptions, and detailed sexual preferences — CEO Noel Biderman's emails are now available for anyone to read. 

Forbes pulled out a handful of conversations from those emails that show that Ashley Madison's parent company Avid Life Media was considering acquiring Grindr, the location-based dating app for gay, bisexual and bi-curious men, earlier this year.

The relationship between Biderman and Grindr founder Joel Simkhai stretches back to 2012, when the two had several conversations about advertising each others services. So when rumours emerged in May this year that Grindr was considering a sale, Joel Biderman started asking around to see how Grindr was doing financially.

Grindr's potential

According to Forbes, Jonathan Pollack from Toronto-based Fireside Capital called Raine Groupe, the company advertising Grindr for a possible sale. He came back to Biderman with some impressive figures for 2014 — $31 million (£19.9 million) in revenue, 4 million active users, and 250,000 paying subscribers. Grindr was also said to be earning $14 million (£9 million) in annual earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization (EBITDA). 

The Ashley Madison files also include an investor pitch deck from Grindr showing that the company considered itself to have even better prospects. The company expected cumulative advertising and subscription revenue to reach $38.1 million (around £24 million) in 2015, then jump to $48.1 million (£30.8 million) in 2016. 

But for a while it looked as though the idea would go no further. At the end of May Biderman was convinced that Grindr would not consider a sale for less than $100 million (£64 million). 

"The Ashley factor"

Ashley Madison's biggest shareholder Jason DeZwirek continued the conversation at the beginning of June. We pulled up DeZwirek's June 8 emailed originally flagged by Forbes. It's here that things get interesting.

In it, DeZwirek quotes another Ashley Madison board member referred to as "Leonard" by DeZwirek and thought to be Leonard Latchman of LDL Corp by Forbes:

"He says the expected purchase price is between 60 and 70 million (dollars). He also said Joel is willing to only 51% and keep the rest for now and that he is willing to stay on board for a couple of years."

It's not clear where they got this information from. DeZwirek feared that Avid Life Media would be unable to raise the $35 million (£22 million) needed for a 5% stake in Grindr because of Ashley Madison's name and reputation. But the aforementioned Leonard had a plan. 

Here's more from DeZwirek's email:

"Leonard thinks it would be a good acquisition for us and I said I agreed but I did not think that we could raise the debt even if it is as little as $35 million because of the Ashley factor. He thinks he could (raise the debt) with a Grindr standalone. He mentioned going it alone with no association to Avid and flipping it to Avid after closing. I thought that was an interesting idea but of course the debt holders would have to agree at the time. He could pursue it, and if he were successful flip it to use, or if for some reason he does not other dominoes would have to fall. While highly unlikely that he would be successful it is kind of a no-lose situation. Does any of this change our position on pursuing it?"

"I would rather own SeekingArrangement"

Biderman remained skeptical that Avid's name would actually be kept out of such a deal, believing that one of his company's board members shouldn't really be playing that sort of game. Instead, he first suggested that Avid be more transparent with Grindr founder Joel Simkhai about its "debt raising concerns," but then followed with another option.

“I could easily see a scenario wherein a group led by Leonard will lead to a possible default and therefore our ability to get the asset much more cheaply … and a condition wherein we can now ask for his resignation from the Board given the clear conflict he would find himself.”

While the meaning of Bilderman's final idea on the topic isn't exactly clear, Simkhai would probably be the one to lose from such a deal.

But Biderman seems to have shut the idea down.

"In my mind I don't really see where Avid owning Grindr helps us at the end of the day. I for one would rather own SeekingArrangement for that kind of money."

We have reached out to Ashley Madison and Grindr for this article, and will update with any new information. 

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Leaked documents show that gay social network Grindr is expected to do $38.1 million in sales this year

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We're getting a closer look at the business of gay social network Grindr, thanks to documents that leaked following the hack of extra-marital affairs dating site Ashley Madison.

Grindr is projecting revenues for 2015 of $38.1 million from 3.8 million monthly active users.

The computer systems of Ashley Madison's parent company Avid Life Media were breached in July 2015, and in August the hacker or hackers, who call themselves The Impact Team, began to leak internal company data online. This includes compromising personal information on more than 30 million users of the site, as well as sensitive documents and the emails of CEO Noel Biderman.

Included within Biderman's email correspondence is a "Management Presentation" for gay networking app Grindr, created in June 2015. Business Insider has reached out to Grindr for comment on the deck and will reply when it responds, but the document appears to be legitimate.

Avid Life Media is in possession of the document because at one point the company was considering investing in or acquiring Tinder, although it ultimately decided against it because of the price-tag.

The document provides a window into the financials of the private company, which launched in 2009 and has never taken on outside funding."Since Grindr's inception 6 years ago," it says, "society has experienced much wider mainstream acceptance of gay culture on a global basis. Grindr has not only benefited from this world-changing trend but has also been an essential part of transforming the culture itself."

Accordingly, the company has seen healthy growth over the last few years, with revenues rising to $31.8 million, up from $15.8 million in 2012  in 2014, with estimated revenues of $38.1 million in 2015. By the end of 2018, it predicts annual revenues of as much as $77 million — more than twice that of 2014.

By a considerable margin, its single biggest audience is USA, with just under 1.3 million monthly active users (MAUs). This is followed by the UK (377,000), Brazil (248,000), and France (185,000). Overall, it has 10.5 million global users, of which 3.8 million are MAUs. MAUs are forecast to grow by more than 40% in 2015.

Notably, Grindr claims that the average daily time its users spend on the app is higher than other social networks. It claims 54 minutes daily, compared to Facebook's 42.1 minutes, Tumblr's 34.2 minutes, and Instagram's 21.2 minutes. For Tinder, a dating app with similar functionality which also has heterosexual users, that figure is pegged at just 14.9 minutes daily. (The data comes via a report from eMarketer.)

Here are the relevant slides from the presentation:

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What it's like to be the king of Grindr — the dating app that started it all

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Joel Simkhai is a single, gay man living in Los Angeles, and he's the king of Grindr. Well, technically, he's the CEO and founder of the dating app for gay and bisexual men. He created Grindr out of a "selfish desire" to meet more gay men, and he's still a very regular user of his own app. Find out what it's like to be the king of Grindr.

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Gay hookup app Grindr sold a majority stake to a Chinese gaming company

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Grindr is selling a majority stake to a Chines gaming company.

The popular gay hookup and dating app has announced that the Beijing Kunlun Tech Company is buying 60% of the company, according to multiple news reports.

The deal values Grindr at $155 million (£107 million). The other 40% is split between Joel Simkhai, founder and CEO, and company employees who have equity.

Why sell? Grindr's COO, Carter, McJunkin, told The New York Times that it was about growing the business. "We have users in every country in the world, but in order to get to the next phase of our business and grow faster, we needed a partner."

Looking forward, the company is going to attempt "solving more problems" for its users. "We've expanded to make it more of a lifestyle company," said McJunkin.

Meanwhile, it sounds like there may be more acquisitions on the horizon for Beijing Kunlun as it builds its portfolio. In a statement, chairman Yahui Zhou said: "We will continue to seek out and invest in high-quality technology companies led by top-tier management across the globe."

We got a look at Grindr's financials last year thanks to the hack of extra-marital affairs dating site Ashley Madison. At one point Avid Life Media, Ashley Madison's parent company, considered investing in or acquiring Grindr (though ultimately decided not to due to the price tag), and ex-CEO Noel Biderman's leaked emails contained a slide deck prepared by Grindr.

The company has grown healthily over the last few years with revenues rising to $31.8 million (£22 million) in 2014, up from $15.8 million (£11 million) in 2012, with estimated revenues of $38.1 million (£26 million) in 2015. (The slide deck was prepared in June 2015.)

By the end of 2018, it predicted annual revenues of as much as $77 million (£53 million) — more than twice that of 2014.

By a considerable margin, its single biggest audience is USA, with just under 1.3 million monthly active users (MAUs). This is followed by the UK (377,000), Brazil (248,000), and France (185,000). Overall, it has 10.5 million global users, of which 3.8 million are monthly active users (MAUs). MAUs were forecast to grow by more than 40% in 2015.

Notably, Grindr claimed that the average daily time its users spend on the app is higher than other social networks. It claims 54 minutes daily, compared to Facebook's 42.1 minutes, Tumblr's 34.2 minutes, and Instagram's 21.2 minutes. For Tinder, a dating app with similar functionality which also has heterosexual users, that figure is pegged at just 14.9 minutes daily. (The data came via a report from eMarketer.)

Grindr has not previously taken outside funding.

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The man behind Grindr — the dating app that a Chinese gaming company just bought

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Joel Simkhai is a single, gay man living in Los Angeles, and he's the king of Grindr. Well, technically, he's the CEO and founder of the dating app for gay and bisexual men. In 2009, he launched Grindr out of a "selfish desire" to meet more gay men.

More recently, he sold a majority stake of Grindr to a Chinese gaming company. Simkhai, still a very regular user of his own app, took us around LA last summer. He showed us what it's like to be the king of Grindr.

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7 easy changes to make your dating profile stand out in a crowd

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Online dating can be a fun and efficient route to romance — but first you have to go through the hassle of creating a profile that screams, "I'm chill and fun and not full of myself but also not insecure!"

Luckily, we've got some simple tips to help guide you.

Using data from user profiles on OkCupid and Match.com, Wired took an extensive look at how to create "the perfect online dating profile."

There's a lot of info, and you can check it out here.

We went through it all and came up with seven easy ways to make your profile stand out.

 

Make sure you're using profile pictures where you are looking directly at the camera. Over 80% of the "hottest ranked profiles" on OkCupid had pictures featuring strong eye contact.



Ditch the smirk. When it comes to profile pictures, only 2% of the top ranked profiles on OkCupid featured people hiding their smiles. Instead, try smiling with your teeth.



Men who use the word "whom" (correctly) see over 25% more contact from women online, so be sure to watch your grammar.



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How to permanently delete your dating profiles on Tinder, Hinge and Match

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Ahhh, romance.

More and more often these days, people find it through dating apps and websites like OkCupid, Tinder, or Hinge

Whether you've found a significant other or you're just sick of wading through cheesy bios and clumsy introductions in vain, here's a quick-n-dirty guide on how to get rid of your online dating accounts.

Because contrary to the assumption of many (including a Business Insider coworker or two), deleting the Tinder app off your phone doesn't mean you have deleted your account.

Here's how you really delete all the online dating accounts you're sick of:

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To repeat: Deleting the app does not delete your account.

To delete your account for real, navigate to the Settings pane, select App Settings, scroll down all the way to the bottom, and select Delete Account. You’ll then see a message that says "Account successfully deleted" if it worked.

"If you subscribed to Tinder Plus, deleting the app and/or your account does not cancel your subscription," Tinder says on its FAQ page. You have to cancel your subscription via email.

OkCupid

OkCupid gives you the option of deleting or disabling your account. If you disable it, your profile will be removed, but you will be able to get all your old information, pictures, and messages back if you want in the future.

To permanently delete it, just go to Settings in either the app or desktop, and select "Delete Account."

Here's a quick link to do just that.

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If you're on desktop, simply click here (the link will not work from mobile device) and remove the Hinge app from the list. Then, on your phone, delete the app icon as you normally would.

To delete your account via your phone, you actually do it through the Facebook app.

Once you've opened that up, click More > Settings > Account Settings > Apps > Logged in with Facebook > Hinge > Remove App. Then just delete the account. 

Match.com 

If you don't have a paid subscription, you can cancel your membership by visiting the Change/Cancel Membership page in your Account Settings (look for the gear icon).

If you do have a membership, cancelling it will just mean that you're not paying anymore, although your profile will remain on the site. Once you've canceled your subscription, delete your now-free account with the same instructions above. 

Rather confusingly, though, even after you've canceled your account, you can get it back just by signing back in, because Match keeps your information "stored in our database for historical and legal purposes only."

Match has a separate section describing how to delete a profile permanently, but the answer is just not to even log back in once you've cancelled:

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Coffee Meets Bagel 

There's no simple, do-it-yourself way to delete your Coffee Meets Bagel profile. You have to actually contact the company and have them do it for you. Reach out at contact@coffeemeetsbagel.com.

eHarmony 

There are two steps to deleting your eHarmony account.

First, you have to "close" it, meaning matches can no longer see your profile. Do that by going to Settings > Account Settings > Billing > Close Account. 

Then, to get rid of it completely and permanently, you have to email deletemyinfo@eharmony.comwith the subject line "Delete My Account Information." In the body of the email, ask for all your personal information to be deleted.

Grindr

To delete your Grindr profile, open the app, tap Grindr Mask > Settings > Privacy > Tap delete profile >Confirm.

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